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Mar 9, 4:18 AM
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Would you want MAL to introduce the so-called "karma" system that allows upvote or downwote user comments? Or maybe you will prefer to add emoji reactions to comments? And how do you feel about such a tool in general?
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Mar 9, 4:28 AM
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Just simply able to like someone's comment like insta/old fb will also be enough if not full emoji.
Mar 9, 4:31 AM
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It's an interesting idea but I like the simplicity of MAL forums. Adding a feature like this feels kinda pointless to me.
Mar 9, 4:31 AM
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Great way to make the forums even more unusable...
Mar 9, 4:33 AM
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Great way to make the forums even more unusable...
@LenRea Why do you think so? Because of potential abuses?
Mar 9, 4:43 AM
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No, please no. You couldn't criticize anything without getting downvoted (aside from the few frowned upon anime that are ok to hate).
Mar 9, 4:48 AM
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Just having an ability to add reactions to the posts/comments (like on Telegram) would be fine, but the karma system is pure cancer. Just look at Reddit to see why.
Mar 9, 4:51 AM
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Only if you're limited to 🍆 and 💦 emojis
Mar 9, 5:01 AM
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RobertBobert said:
Would you want MAL to introduce the so-called "karma" system that allows upvote or downwote user comments? Or maybe you will prefer to add emoji reactions to comments?
Reddit already exists, so what is the point?

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RobertBobert said:
Would you want MAL to introduce the so-called "karma" system that allows upvote or downwote user comments? Or maybe you will prefer to add emoji reactions to comments?
Reddit already exists, so what is the point?
@inim One of the comments above clearly shows why people do not need another Reddit.
Mar 9, 5:07 AM

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No, there's no need to turn MAL into the shithole that reddit and Anime Planet is. Only popular opinion will get upvoted.

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No, there's no need to turn MAL into the shithole that reddit and Anime Planet is. Only popular opinion will get upvoted.
@Maou_heika Does Anime Planet also have a pronounced karma system?
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@Maou_heika Does Anime Planet also have a pronounced karma system?
@RobertBobert No but they have an emoji react system

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Nope I don't like the Karam system who ever made it is stupid than being help, I'm just helping one user for recommending and I told him some good hidden and someone downvote me for not knowing what anime that I recommend (but I glad they got karma they kicked out for being bad me)
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No, MAL absolutely does not need it. If someone wants to participate in an echo chamber and gather points for it, then Reddit already exists. No need to copy such system and implement it on a classic discussion board like MyAnimeList Forum.

Emoji reactions are like fuel for similar behavior. I dislike the emoji system used in reviews on MAL, so I wouldn't like to see it on the forum.
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No thanks. This place is close enough to Reddit as it already is.
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Just enable the MAL review reactions for forum posts as well, it's a fairly good system.
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Not really, pretty sure that would lead to a plethora of problems.

~ Echo chamber
~ discouraging unique and varied voices
~ alts for boosting/downvoting posts
~ 'friends' liking each others' posts just for the sake of doing it
~ waste of developer resources, I mean there are a lot of different features that are a higher priority
~ I find most of the emojis ugly by the way

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I don't think a karma system would be a really good idea as it would just exacerbate a lot of the toxicity that is prevalent in this community by essentially allowing people to deplatform those who don't play into a lot of these toxic traits that have been so normalized or call them out.
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RobertBobert said:
Would you want MAL to introduce the so-called "karma" system that allows upvote or downwote user comments? Or maybe you will prefer to add emoji reactions to comments? And how do you feel about such a tool in general?

I think the emojis are fine, but i would love a comment section to be added to reviews

*edit: realized you were talking bout forums

Absolutely NO!! Karma system sucks
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The only other forum I frequent has an Emoji react system that I kinda miss here, as a quick way to go "I like your point" or "I think what you said is dumb" wihtout actually jumping in... Probably would cause more problems than it's worth however.
Also Hard no to a Karma system, that would be way too easily abused.
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The reality of these systems is that they are completely dystopian and have completely destroyed the entire mental state of many people especially in my generation. If you look at the aftermath of the social experiment known as Reddit all you will see is a ruined land of destruction where everyone started off having fun but after many years dictators and people who wanted to squeeze the joy out of everyone conditioned and trained all the people who remained to behave like soulless bots or immediately be exiled from the island. These systems will only further discourage people from expressing their own opinion. Sure most of the people here already sound like bots who constantly repeat the same things. I'm not sure why these fixations occur but I know it can get a whole lot worse and the first step to making it worse are these systems designed to control what others think.
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I think it is a good thing this website does not have a karma system.
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I don't think a karma system would be a really good idea as it would just exacerbate a lot of the toxicity that is prevalent in this community by essentially allowing people to deplatform those who don't play into a lot of these toxic traits that have been so normalized or call them out.
@LSSJ_Gaming This. Plenty of anime communities on Reddit have effectively shut down discussion on certain topics because of the karma system, and the only way to find a welcoming community a lot of the time is to hope that the demographics and moderation emphasize that in one of the smaller subs.

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RobertBobert said:
Would you want MAL to introduce the so-called "karma" system that allows upvote or downwote user comments? Or maybe you will prefer to add emoji reactions to comments? And how do you feel about such a tool in general?


I don't think there is any added value. A karma system is just an instant no-go and emoji reactions will be abused like with reviews for the negative side



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Don't really see the need for such a thing here.
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Not really Reddit 2 sounds cringe tbh.
Mar 9, 10:48 PM

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If MAL becomes Reddit I will personally bomb the MAL headquarters and then kill myself. Reddit must be destroyed.
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Likes/Dislikes/Karma encourage braindead bandwaggoning. Pretty much the opposite result of what a forum is for, discussion. Besides that reddit, is getting into trouble for people making threats to violence. Karma encourages bad behavior and mob justice.
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Oh helllll nooooo


though I do wish MAL had kaoani. Those were always cool and cute





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I think it could lead people to saying what they think they want others to agree with versus how they really feel or think
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Would you want MAL to introduce the so-called "karma" system that allows upvote or downwote user comments? Or maybe you will prefer to add emoji reactions to comments? And how do you feel about such a tool in general?


I don't think there is any added value. A karma system is just an instant no-go and emoji reactions will be abused like with reviews for the negative side
@Steph If the negative feedback against karma is so obvious and evident, then why do most platforms continue to use it for forums and discussions in general?
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@Steph If the negative feedback against karma is so obvious and evident, then why do most platforms continue to use it for forums and discussions in general?
@RobertBobert It helps to quickly find useful and entertaining posts without having to read the entire discussion.
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@RobertBobert It helps to quickly find useful and entertaining posts without having to read the entire discussion.
@Zarutaku But is it worth the destruction of the culture of communication on your resource as a whole?
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@Zarutaku But is it worth the destruction of the culture of communication on your resource as a whole?
@RobertBobert I think a positive reaction system promotes to put more effort into thinking up noteworthy posts, but it also promotes group conformism.
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A karma system will only worsen this website. The only reason this website is somewhat decent is because there is no karma system.
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@Steph If the negative feedback against karma is so obvious and evident, then why do most platforms continue to use it for forums and discussions in general?
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@Steph If the negative feedback against karma is so obvious and evident, then why do most platforms continue to use it for forums and discussions in general?


Same reason as to why, but controversionally, youtube has removed dislikes. People should be able to join a discussion and state their opinion without being scared of getting -karma and being ignored. Anime is a place where a lot of 'hot takes' can happen and punishing someone by having a low karma just doesn't feel right.



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@Steph If the negative feedback against karma is so obvious and evident, then why do most platforms continue to use it for forums and discussions in general?


Same reason as to why, but controversionally, youtube has removed dislikes. People should be able to join a discussion and state their opinion without being scared of getting -karma and being ignored. Anime is a place where a lot of 'hot takes' can happen and punishing someone by having a low karma just doesn't feel right.
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Same reason as to why, but controversionally, youtube has removed dislikes. People should be able to join a discussion and state their opinion without being scared of getting -karma and being ignored. Anime is a place where a lot of 'hot takes' can happen and punishing someone by having a low karma just doesn't feel right.

  1. YouTube still has the dislike feature for both videos and comments, but it doesn't show the total number anymore.
  2. Not all of these "karma" systems include a dislike feature.
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I've seen several different communities react in different ways to karma systems- overall mixed reactions. Although a like system didn't seem to have any disadvantages.

Everyone believes a karma system could be a disaster here, but there's a few things nobody ever mentions



Activity
I hate Reddit with a passion, and it is indeed an echo chamber! But it's undeniable that it has a lot of activity still. Even their bullshit karma system + echo chamber + irrelevance hasnt killed the site somehow, even as we enter the post-woke era where Redditors are routinely made fun of. Still the top of every damn Google search. MAL used to be, when it was more active...

There was one site for a game that had more activity under a karma system and then less activity when it was removed in favor for a likes-only system. But it's hard to say if the karma system encouraged more activity or if the game's popularity affected this, despite this that observation is considerable.

Myanimelist could use an activity increase, as this is probably the worst years for forum posts I've seen in 15 years. Also some more interesting posts would be nice. Likes may motivate some users to make better posts and be more active or encourage good posts. There's many times I want to let someone know I liked their post but have to write out a whole lame comment for it. Why can't I just like it? Or respond with a quick lol at the least.* People act like wanting to do this simple act will destroy "all good discussion cuz Reddit". Sites with likes still have amazingly thorough and intelligent posts (not Reddit lol).

Who is to say a like or karma system wouldn't encourage better posts here? Even if some posts are buried, many others will be greatly encouraged. I've been on two other sites with karma like systems and when posts were highlighted they were usually the best ones to read. Those sites didn't "become Reddit". There was never any more or any less "braindead bandwagoning" before or after those systems were implemented. It can go either way, but I've seen karma actually discourage bandwagoning which is contrary to what everyone thinks. Which leads me to my next point...



MAL community isn't Reddit
Apparently you can all see into the future because all I hear is "This will become Reddit!" Ok, since you have a crystal ball and can see all possible futures, can I borrow it and win the lottery? Thanks :D

You actually do not know how MAL would respond to such changes. Amazingly, when ppl say "MAL isn't Reddit, we don't need a karma system... MAL will become Reddit!" it can be perceived as contradictory.



There is always abuse
The possibility of some users abusing a like system doesn't mean so many will that it ruins the site more than it already is ruined lol. There's many ways to abuse the MAL system, but it's not like everyone does it. You do know posting a review gets reviewer's profiles bombed with hate, right? It's been a thing since like 2010 lol. But we don't end reviews for the abuse of a few dummies. Is one person abusing the system out of a 100 really the end of the world, especially if 99 were to hypothetically benefit from it?






All that said I'm still against a karma system, admin staff is against it too last I knew so it likely won't happen. But I'm in favor of just likes or something similar. Downvotes don't seem to have much value besides culling opinions the community as a whole doesn't want or discouraging bad behavior. On this kind of site I don't see that being a benefit. However it doesn't seem users have really thought the karma thing through since I rarely see the points I've brought up, like ever. If you haven't thought this thoroughly, how can we trust your opinion on a simple like system too? Just something to think about, as I believe a like system would be a great benefit, especially considering creators and lurkers.


Encourage good post and content creators
It's obvious that Pareto Principle applies to MAL as well. A fraction of users have a massive impact. When these ppl leave or are driven out (RIP kings) their absence is very noticeable. Why not give them some more encouragement with a damn like, as with every other site? It's not that much to ask lol.



MUH DEEP DISCUSSION!!!!!
I always hear how likes or karma will kill deep discussions and quality posts. And I hear this from ppl who want to move everything to Discord lmao smh. A dislike system could definitely demotivate someone from making a thorough post, like mine, as I know it will be downvoted to oblivion for considering multiple stances lol.

But from what I've seen a solo like system wouldn't necessarily demotivate anyone the way an emoji or karma system would. The karma system necessarily doesn't kill all good posts either, however it definitely destroys controversial posters whose opinions I actually valued the most (that's my main reason I'm against dislikes).



Toxic replies
Another thing no one talks about. Toxic replies hurt participation as much as dislikes can, if not more! There's many users who dont participate because they do not want the backlash. A big problem across many sites! A like system kinda helps with this since you get a better idea of how the community really feels about your posts and participation, instead of a few angry replies skewing your view.



Highlighted posts are a good thing for lurkers
When there's a million replies, skimming through and reading highlighted posts is a better experience then skimming through a wall of posts and bad replies. There's many lurkers, throw them a bone too.




* a good reason to undo the 30 character requirement rule or w/e it is
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Horrible idea. Promotes circle jerking and bullying.
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Horrible idea. Promotes circle jerking and bullying.
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and making 100 alt accounts to upvote themselves.
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Mar 10, 6:49 PM

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No, please no. You couldn't criticize anything without getting downvoted (aside from the few frowned upon anime that are ok to hate).
@Nirinbo

Yep. That's exactly the issue with Reddit. At least people aren't afraid to speak their minds here, no matter how wrong or dumb it is.
Mar 10, 7:10 PM

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Horrible idea. Promotes circle jerking and bullying.
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oh, that's still very light.
it could leans more toward discrimination than just bullying or jerking
Mar 11, 1:14 AM

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and making 100 alt accounts to upvote themselves.
@traed Or manically downvote "ideological opponents", especially if the system of karma on this resource does not reveal the accounts of voters.
Mar 11, 2:04 AM

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@Nirinbo

Yep. That's exactly the issue with Reddit. At least people aren't afraid to speak their minds here, no matter how wrong or dumb it is.
@Malkshake I really appreciate the freedom of speech we have here, except when someone purposely goes off-topic just to shit on the anime that's living rent-free in their head (e.g. "What's the best anime of 20xx?" "I don't know what's the best, but the worst is..."). That's kinda disrespectful towards the OP.
Mar 11, 3:40 AM

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I feel like it would be a good feature to add however i feel like it would become too much like reddit at that point and that probably isn't a good thing.

Mar 11, 3:44 AM

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I get the idea but I think it doesn't fit in with the use and idea of forums
Mar 11, 4:43 AM

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MAL is understaffed, they can barely manage withusers botting character favorites/show scores, I don't think anyone would care to do anything about comment like/upvote bots.
Mar 11, 5:43 AM

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@AmityBlight
and making 100 alt accounts to upvote themselves.
@traed With all Alt that join CD. Horrible idea.

discrimination is a form of bullying. Website doesn't need a retard karma system. Can I have a bigger data size for forum, pics? Can I use gifs as profile pictures? BB codes that play music? Chat room without going discord?
AmityBlightMar 11, 5:47 AM
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